Someone finally did it - 2018 Camry V6 vs Accord Ecoboost Type R 2.0T

"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob) 10/19/2017 at 20:35 • Filed to: None

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Comparison test on !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! - yeah, a magazine, like what people read before Jalopnik came out :p

But since the main selling point of these cars is reliability, the real test will be 200,000 miles from now.

It’s the CTR vs the Lotus Evora hahaha

Just too bad there’s no Accord Type R, with the full 300+ hp from the CTR, and too bad no Camry XRS with the supercharged V6 from the Evora. Street cred in a family car yo

The Accord should’ve been a hatchback with a rear wiper. A Camry wagon would’ve been nice, too. Actually, the reason Honda didn’t make it a hatchback with a rear wiper is because they were afraid Toyota would make a wagon with TWO rear wipers and thereby out-awesoming them and then they’d cower in fear or something.

Remeber that Honda killed the Accord coupe because of the Mustang. Honda directs anyone looking for an Accord coupe to their local Ford dealer.

interstate366, now In The Industry > dogisbadob 10/19/2017 at 20:41

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That Camry is hideous. Granted, the Accord is no beauty queen either, but at least I wouldn’t be embarrassed to be seen in it like I would the Camry.

arl > interstate366, now In The Industry 10/19/2017 at 20:47

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Camry = hideous. Accord = slightly less hideous.

interstate366, now In The Industry > arl 10/19/2017 at 20:49

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The sad thing is, the last Camry was quite good looking, even though (or maybe because) it looks exactly like a 2nd gen TSX.

Chariotoflove > interstate366, now In The Industry 10/19/2017 at 20:50

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Agreed. I don’t know who does their styling.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Chariotoflove 10/19/2017 at 20:59

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Yeah. The last Camry actually looked nice...

...except it was derivative of an old Accord. (Maybe I’m just biased.)

Chariotoflove > interstate366, now In The Industry 10/19/2017 at 21:01

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I didn’t like that one either, I’m afraid.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Chariotoflove 10/19/2017 at 21:06

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To be fair, I didn’t like the non-SE version of the last one, either. But at least it wasn’t an outright eyesore like the new one. They’re somehow even worse in person.

arl > Chariotoflove 10/19/2017 at 21:10

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It’s like an 8 year old broke into Toyota ‘s design offices, opened their CAD app, and replaced all the decent car designs with crazy cars from Transformers or some whacky Anime show.

Some management schmuck was walking by the next morning, saw the crazy CAD design and put it into production. Voila- 2018 Camry!

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > dogisbadob 10/19/2017 at 21:14

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I would buy a Camry XRS or Accord Si/R if either company had the audacity to make one.

bhtooefr > dogisbadob 10/19/2017 at 21:14

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The skidpad tells the tale. The Camry XSE V-6 pulls only one- tenth of a g harder than the XLE four-cylinder and three- tenths of a g weaker than the Accord 2.0T Touring on average.

Motor Trend keeps using that word. I do not think it means what Motor Trend thinks it means.

(They mean hundredths. Three tenths would be colossal - it’d put the Accord in trackday special territory. Three hundredths, eh.)

That said, I’m a bit surprised that the Camry V6 isn’t stronger than it is in straight-line acceleration, but that’s what a transmission with fewer ratios, and apparently poorer optimization, combined with far less area under the curve due to not subscribing to the “let’s just feed in all the boost at 1500 RPM” school of modern downsized turbo powertrains, will do for you...

The Camry, for all its bravura, is less capable when pressed. The steering is lighter but less fluid, with an aggressive ratio immediately off-center that makes the car feel darty and nervous. This and the high-end surge from the engine make it feel as though you’re going faster in the Camry when you’re actually not.

What’s interesting here is, I almost wonder if this is some of the whole “driving rhythm” stuff that Toyota’s been going on about lately - maybe they chose to make it feel faster, even though it’s actually slower, similar to Mazda’s decisions on the Miata?

wafflesnfalafel > interstate366, now In The Industry 10/19/2017 at 21:31

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It’s the nose - Toyota’s noses for the last several years have just been very unattractive... severe case of droopy schnoz.

dogisbadob > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 10/19/2017 at 21:36

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That’s what the aftermarket is for :o)

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > dogisbadob 10/19/2017 at 22:22

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Honda might actually do it. They seem to be pushing more of the fun to drive factor in their cars

Chariotoflove > interstate366, now In The Industry 10/19/2017 at 22:36

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Agreed.

Chariotoflove > arl 10/19/2017 at 22:38

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That works. Or maybe MonkeePuzzle hacked in and got busy with MS Paint again. Either way, they had to be smoking something strong to approve it.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > dogisbadob 10/19/2017 at 22:54

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So I saw one of those new Camry XSEs on the road this morning, quad exhaust tips shining brilliantly, and all I could think is; “wow, someone has really already bought one of those”.

Don’t get me wrong, I try to be very live and let live about the decisions of others, but for a Camry, I don’t get it. Maybe someone could explain it to me, but the mental picture I have in my head of walking into a dealer and going “yes I’ll have the Camry with the quad exhaust” just blows my mind.